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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:47:00 -
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TV show wise, Star Treck wouldnt win or be close to winning.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:24:00 -
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Another reason why star treck would lose.
Pod capsuleeers cant die.
Starship federation officers do.
Also last i checked the federation only had what? 1 shipyard?
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:37:00 -
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... that was a battlecruiser on carrier sized ship in eve at well within blaster ranges.
Also shields in star trek how do they work?
Best thoerist say its paritcle based for various reasons which opens a crap ton of bypasses.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:38:00 -
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He's not done his title of trekkie is at stake.
Also for a ship to fire at the ranges hes claiming it needs to be 8kms long apature capable of handeling the heat dispersion. So in a true design warship that would be soemthing the size of a titan maybe? and that is not even a turreted system.
Im sorry but throwing photons out that far is much less feasible than throwing warp drives at each other. I am more inclinded to belive photon (which is acutally an anti-matter reactor warhead according to you trekkies that have the technical bible) has the multi kilometer range.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 06:34:00 -
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Now then
Your super computer is an idiot trekkies, It was explained by photon torpedos have to mix their reactive warhead for at least 1 second and this is a visual consistently though out the entire series that when the targets are alot closer the warhead seems to go alot SLOWER to allow enough time to mix the reaciton. If your super computer cant slave in a phaser to slice that warhead in half wtf? wtf are you still using effing missiles for if it CANT EFFING TRACK A WARP DRIVE THAT CLOSE? Highly accurate lasers and smarter computers killed the carriers in honor harrigton series for the longest time in space warfare.
I mean seriously a warp drive is screamingly bloody mary on the the 'noise' level sensor wise within star treks own universe, eve hasn't demonstrate the technology but microwarp drives are massively noisy as well.
Also if its 30 isotonns why doesnt it do city scale destruction after punching though ship armor? Having nuke punch though the armor and go off is a kill shot and its been well proven that star trek ships have some pertty pathetic armor even on thier 'war ships.'
Movies have no excuse to say well its not in the budget or that nonesense.
Im sorry but your directors where not creative enough to show interesting fights at such long ranges. A battlestar in the newest series was shoveling out with three base star in the first episode about 200kms out away from each other, thier distances are extremly much further apart than anything ever visually dictated in star trek ever and unlike star trek a battlestar doesnt magically dodge a missile and has consistenly showned that the mk1 eyeball is good enough to shoot down a missile.
Another thing I have yet to see the lucky kill shot in star trek that involves popping the interia stab mid break neck intant pancakes speeds.
Also shields in trek are significnatly weaker and more vunerable and are particle based. Also somone else has been an idiot and not designed radio active weapons that have clearly shown to go though trek shields.
Ill also state it again nobody miltiary minded has ever designed a real warship in star trek, not the romulans not the klingons and definetly not the defiant.
Also if trek sensors are so freaking accurate and working well why in the hell cloaks still work? After 40 years of contact with the technology as well.
Ultimately every time a trek goes into battle in the series people should have died in droves every time the shields dropped adnt hey got nailed they have way to many living spaces and didnt internally armored thier insides or actively SHIELD them either. Its a miracle thier super computer is smart enough to keep air inside god forbid they lose power with these not so good blast doors ajar.
Then electronic warfare? Why hasnt anyone done shield harmonics or counter harmonics? I am pertty sure most ST ships have a sig radius more massive than the ship itself where as most eve ships have passive stealthing until you get to the capitol classes.
Also if the federation where to fight eve all we have to do is ram into them.
You also forget the cyno field generation tech eve has.
And also note that there are alot of other technologies not mentioned yet thats in use in eve that would make trekkies go hmmmm. Caldari for example use black hole reactors similar to your romulans and the reactors in eve are in multiples and in more number so it really begs the question is how much standarization of measuring units we lost in the last 15k years in eve?
Who light year is it we're using? Whos AU, is our km correct? slew of other things that may not exactly survived three resets ( (three dark ages) in new eden.
Next up we could go hyper hypothetical bringing in eve's terrans in but that would make you trekkies cry.
I mean if a battleship sized weapon can sink 18kms of warship in a single shot along with her escorting tonnages I can see what it would do to the federations only shipyard.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 17:10:00 -
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It didnt look like light speed to me.... light was still visible.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:37:00 -
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You know what is inherintly wrong about trying to say that star trek can fight at warp speeds? Less than 1% of the time its ever done which also further dictates additional stupidty on Trekkers part.
Lets look at another universe that claims to fight at warp speed.
Honorverse.
They developed thier means of FTL via gravity wedging though space which is like trying to shove a golf ball though a frictionless hose that is much smaller than than the ball itself.
99% of all battles mentioned in honor harrigton ARE in FTL speeds. The few times they drop into sub light are usually demands for surrender, conserving power, or the node rings that makes the gravity wedges are stuck down, or you caught them with thier pants down and rammed a few warheads up thier tail pipes.
This here is a war culture, where they see stupidity for what it is, it kills people.
I can also see a honor harrigton ship royalying one volleying any star trek ship into vapor. One mk 32 missile from honorverse outputs about 100 lasing rods at fusion powered detontation which would be like getting nailed by 40 phaser blasts all at once and thier missiles dont near miss ever. Missile would go gee I just missed my taret BOOM! Lasing rods will still strip away the shields armor and whatever it can rake off in the pass. Which would royally screw any trekker that decided oh I just need to put my forward shields up.
And class wise these honor verse ships the size of the enterprise can get 1000 warp capable birds in flight at long ranges poissbly more with additional technologies from various sub cultures within honor verse. it may be a one time feat until resupply but 1000 birds none the less makes MUCH larger ships go oh @#$% duck thier head between thier legs and say good bye because the are entirley unable to stop that many missiles.
BTW star trek shields are screwed agianst any direct hit form a honor harrigton warhead the only real defense is a stronger gravity wedge. Weges would pry apart any weaker fields and materials into obvlion and once inside ship those lasers will be powerful enough to make the ship go nuclear from the mateirals it over ecxictes.
And meh
Photon Masers dont sound all that good of a weapon to use against other ships. Which some eggheads aggree weapon protrayed in the show is a maser not a fancier laser.
and before you go off on saying that honor harrigton lasers arent that powerful.
Star treck uses a crystal focus still.
Honor Harrigton lasers uses gravity to lense the laser.
I can tell you which one burns out first.
And missile range on one of the best missiles deployed for system defenses is 180Mkms in honor harrigton.
Which is entirely feasble considering they shoved the equivalent of four warp drives in the damn thing.
One more thing, Star Trek has absolutely no electronic warfare nor do they have an intel force capable of stealing entire technologies nor do they seem to have intelligent enough people to develop workarounds within months of getting thier asses whopped. It took them what a good 30 years to go back to FIREARMS to kill borg? wtf....
Which really brings into the question that if borg can adapt thier barriers to protect themselves against a energy weapon quickly but not a projectile.
How much damage a hyperlight antiship dart going though the longest beam of hte enterpirse could cause?
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.03.03 07:47:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:Wait a second 75% of the honervers battles take place inside star systems where they can only go 99.999% the speed of light due to the warp barrier. the only FTL battles i can think of off hand are fought in the confederacy inside the gravity rifts. not a troll by the way just adding to the accuracy of your argument.
I noticed you left out the gravity shield side walls, bow walls, and rear walls (the wedge only covers the top and belly of the ship but its impenetrable) Also the shipboard Grazers, Lazier clusters used to shoot down incoming missiles, the LAC and their carriers, the new FTL linked missiles that can be reprogrammed in flight to avoid enemy defenses, all the ECM goodies from the Ghost rider program, the tractor beam linked missile pods that double the volley you stated above on the new generation superdreadnoughts, and lets not forget the spider drive stealth system that makes the cloaking systems from star trek look like flashing neon signs.
I also fogot to mention one of the most powerful weapons in honor verse,
A research and development program.
If they captured an ST ship you would probably not like the honorverse people within a year, espeically if they start using the photon subspace comms and the warp drives. A Pod Super Dreadnaught armed with modified photon torps and improved linkes.
Oh gawd teleporter armed mine freighters ><.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2012.06.10 17:53:00 -
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There where alot of toilets on the battlestar.
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